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Not Listening on the Listening Tour: A Virginia Example

by: KathyinBlacksburg

Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 21:41:45 PM EDT


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(Author's note: I have seldom been as angry as I am at the exploitation of the sick and the senseless profiteering at the expense of the sick, which apparently is unfettered in the proposals of the "Blue (Cross) Dogs."  I will strike a more optimistic and constructive note tomorrow.  But today, here goes...)

Today, I am going to single out Senator Mark Warner because his recent behavior is symptomatic of the "representation" we've got in Washington.  We are essentially increasingly punished at the hands of Blue (Cross) Dogs (BCD), who were hired by us to bring about meaningful change.  These BCD will, apparently, go to any lengths to stop progress on health care reform.  Besides inflicting the pain of obstruction, they insult us with creative word-smithing, empty rhetoric, and-well, pure nonsense.  And, thus, they insult and demean the citizens they purport to represent.  

KathyinBlacksburg :: Not Listening on the Listening Tour: A Virginia Example
In letters to a number of constituents, Senator Mark Warner keeps telling us precisely the same words, code-language and spin that health insurance companies do. He doesn't even humor us with a direct response to our specific concerns or convey that he really gives a damn about real health care reform, as opposed to, say, protecting insurance companies and hospital chains.  Otherwise, he wouldn't keep using terms like "government run health care" in correspondence, when we are not calling for that; "single payer," when most of us are asking only for a government insurance option; "expanded coverage" alone, when we want an end to insurance denial and cancellation as well.  Who, exactly, is writing his scripts, anyway?  

If the junior Senator from Virginia gave a damn about representing us, he wouldn't  tell us we want "competition" (Warner style) no matter what we tell him we want, the way he has done more than once to one of our BC bloggers. You know, plant words in our mouths , as if we are too dumb to have a real thought in our heads.  No, we need Mark Warner to tell us what to think.  72-76% of the American people want health care reform (insurance which is affordable, non-cancelable, and undeniable) with a public option.  But Mark Warner seeks instead to change their minds for them.  This is representation turned upside down.   He goes "home"over the break to "talk" to constituents and persuade himself that he knows what is good for us.

While he writes citizens about health care cost, perhaps Sen. Warner would pay better attention to the real cost of our current system, which he purports to care about, while not caring a fig about reining in insurance and health care delivery companies outrageous, unlimited, and relentless profiteering on sick people.  

According to Donald H. Taylor of Duke University here,

• We spend 16% of our GDP on health care (Mark Warner says 17%--yet doesn't propose any meaningful help for citizens, only industry protection).  
• Americans spend $7500 per capita on health care.
• We get little in return because we get fewer positive outcomes than our main European allies at double the cost.
• The US spends $2 for every $1 those countries spend.  
• We do not live longer.  We do not have better infant survival in the first year.  I could go on.

Senator Warner purports to care about cost, but appears to care nothing about the fact that 62% of personal bankruptcies are due, in part, to catastrophic health care bills.  I am waiting for Senator Warner to explain why it is possible in the United States of America that one day of every week is spent in Roanoke Courts on one hospital taking away what people have, often everything, because the individuals cannot pay their medical bills.  In America?   But, no new regulation is in the offing, no protections whatsoever for Americans at the hands of the Blue (Cross) Dogs.  Has Senator Warner ever read a word of what Elizabeth Warren has written about the role of health care in the catastrophic economic peril families face?

Though he doesn't suggest how to actually rein in costs, Mark Warner keeps implying the big lie, that the President's (and the House's) health care package have no cost containment consequences, or will result in no savings.  He pretends (along with the CBO) that spreading the risk across more citizens won't contain cost, or drive down emergency room costs; that real competition with a public option won't save money; or that eliminating actuaries (who game health care by denying coverage, denying claims and wrongfully canceling policies) won't save up to 17% of every health care dollar.

Senator Warner talks about improvements such as in using telemedicine, when what he really means is big brother monitoring of us in our homes, but reduced in-person contact with medical personnel.  Somehow I don't think the profiteer of cell phone bandwidth and the introduction of paying for incoming calls (as well as outgoing and, hence, doubling our phone costs) is the right one to talk to us about cost. Someone will benefit from increased use of telemedicine, big time, but not the patient.  

Paul Krugman reminds that the Blue Dog Coalition was founded by former LA Rep. Billy Tauzin who is now the president of PhRMA.  How symbolic!  But, reform cannot be  based upon what's good for the health care industrial complex.  Rather, as Krugman says, reform rests on four pillars: regulations, mandates, subsidies, and competition (real competition, not the platitudinous utterance of it, ad nauseum).  Without those four, the Blue (Cross) Dogs double cross us with a "plan" that's worse than nothing.  

As Harold Meyerson points out:


Over at Senate Finance, judging by the reports coming of the committee, a solonic gang of six -- three Democrats, including chairman Max Baucus of Montana, and three Republicans, including ranking member Charles Grassley of Iowa -- are turning out a bill whose resemblance to anything the president has championed is accidental and incidental. To secure Republican support, they oppose a public plan. To secure Republican support, they oppose employer mandates, even on the largest corporations.

President Obama has his hands full with these recalcitrant senatorial Blue (Cross) Dogs. With friends like these...

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Now I get it (0.00 / 0)
Paul Krugman reminds that the Blue Dog Coalition was founded by former LA Rep. Billy Tauzin who is now the president of PhRMA. How symbolic!  But, reform cannot be based upon what's good for the health care industrial complex.

I absolutely agree.  Unfortunately, the money on the PhRMA side of the fence is absolutely staggering.  And the mere thousands it takes to gain political support is merely insignificant "noise" on accounting ledgers, especially when a single blockbuster drug can mean billions annually.

Watch the campaign contributions -- they should be very telling.


They aren't (0.00 / 0)
just Blue (Cross) Dogs; they're Yellow-Bellied Blue Cross Dogs. That's what has fooled many Yellow Dog Democrats into voting for them.

As for Warner... I've heard tell that he was visiting Lextropolis on Saturday. I wasn't officially invited, due to my potty mouth and general lack of deference towards authority, but someone who had been invited asked me to go with her. And I just couldn't. Most of the time, I can manage to control myself and "behave", if I think it's worth while (all my letters to Warner had been as mild as milk and twice as bland). This time, I was afraid I would just lose it. And, when I lose it, I revert to Polish, which has far better curses than English could ever come up with. Wouldn't have done, at such an august, elitist, meeting...  


Warner (0.00 / 0)
is a BUSINESSman for cryin' out out. Is anyone truly surprised at his behavior? He isn't a progressive by any stretch of the imagination. Never has been, never will be.

And now we're stuck with him.


We are not stuck with Warner or Webb in the long term.... (4.00 / 1)
since they have to stand for reelection. The impression I get is that they think that because they were elected as Democratic senators that Democratic Virginians must automatically vote for them. Nope.

The column was nicely done and interesting to read. On related issues regarding both Warner and Webb, I've been puzzled why they so often seem to vote opposite each other on important issues. Are they representing the same people?

Warner solicited comments about his idea of setting up a commission to address financial regulation, but it appears that he is just going on his same path regardless of what people said. The theme may be "solicit input to act like you care what people think, but ignore it if it does not agree with what I and my staff want to do."

Down here a lot of Democrats are not happy with Glenn Nye (Cong. 2nd) since he votes like a Republican on important issues like the environment, stimulus, and seems to be also caving in to the insurance companies on health care. He could not have gotten elected without the support of the Obama volunteers in the 2nd district, and they are not likely to support him in 2010 is he keeps acting like Thelma Drake. There are already 5 or 6 Republicans lined up to run against him, and I am sure that the Republicans will not vote for him no matter how much he seems to try to act like a Republican.


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What IS the Warner Magic? (4.00 / 3)
I have never understood why Mark Warner is so popular with the average Virginian. I understand full well why business leaders of all political persuasions revere him. But, for the life of me, I don't see what he has ever done that was progressive and for the working class.

Compare his plans as senator with Jim Webb. In Webb's first year, he got a new GI bill passed that will benefit millions in the future. He now has taken a political chance by daring to try to get us to look at our horrendous prison system.

Mark Warner supports the class he belongs to: the mega-millionaires.


I'm (0.00 / 0)
with you Elaine. I never got the big deal about Mark Warner. Webb has at least really stepped up and has tried to get shit done. From the get go he was out there.

Warner-not so much.

I don't see what he has ever done that was progressive and for the working class.

Answer- NOTHING. And what is even more ridiculous is the unions gave him a TON of money. For......what??? Think they'd learn there lesson but here we go again, giving another ton of money to Kaine. For.....what? Guess they'll give yet another ton to Deeds-hoping and praying that the third time is the charm and that maybe one out of three could stand up for the right to organize and EFCA.


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DINOs (3.00 / 1)
I think there are a number of "Democrats In Name Only" in the Commonwealth, especially in my home jurisdiction of Alexandria. Of course, there is fundamental question as to what makes a "good Democrat" -- loyalty to basic party principles, or loyalty to party members (or cronies).

Perhaps the jury is still out on Warner, but I do note that he seems to be more pro-business and "establishment" than most Democratic politicians.  Because of that, he is able to get funding and support from contributing business leaders of both parties.  It is an effective strategy:

Fiscally conservative but socially liberal Repubs/Inds +
The majority of the Democratic vote (by default)
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Election victory

Webb is definitely not establishment, and I have been very impressed in what he has accomplished so far (although, I wish he would improve his constituent outreach a bit, especially on our local transportation issues...).

   


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I haven't agreed (0.00 / 0)
100% with Webb, but most of the time.  A huge percentage of the time.  A few times his vote hurt.  But, I still support him strongly...

So I do not wish to equate Webb with Warner here.  Webb has taken some populist stances already --and gotten things done.  And I think he's one of the best Senators in the US.


"One person, one vote" died at the hands of SCOTUS, January 21, 2010


Webb (0.00 / 0)
vs Warner. Apples vs oranges. Webb for regular people. Warner for the corporitists.

Webb has no big agenda. He understands he was elected by US. Warner didn' have much to do so he thought he'd run for Senator since he was ousted by the dems for a vp candidate.


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You all are right on. See the e-mail Warner sent (0.00 / 0)
in response to the FCDC resolution in favor of the public option included in my diary "More B.S. form Prince Warner"

Fairfax County and Alexandria Dems on record now (0.00 / 0)
Need to get Arlington County on the record, too.

Then, we need to get in Warner's face as a group and get him to explain himself. Moran, too.  


And (0.00 / 0)
Nye. Turning out to be USELESS.

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If I were in Va Beach (0.00 / 0)
I'd be SERIOUSLY considering trying to find a viable primary challenger for Glenn for next year. He's been terrible so far -- he was one of 16 Dems that voted against the Corporate and Financial Institution Compensation Fairness Act, an Act which gives shareholders more power to hold CEO compensation down.

Wrong on cap and trade, votes R on the budget, against corporate reform, against us on health care ... seriously, what's the point?  


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And are you also looking (or running) in VA-08 ;-) (0.00 / 0)
Many Alexandrians know that I am definitely not one to shy away from challenging or questioning the establishment, be it Party officials, City officials or State/Federal agencies.  I help keep the ADC "Deputy Chair for Precinct Operations - West" gainfully employed during his new day job defending past and present unconscionable actions by one of his clients.  That same client has been recently fined $74K+ for environmental violations, and seems to have its operating permit in a state of perpetual limbo.  Perhaps a recent change in Police administration (via DUI) may affect criminal matters as well.

The environmental and transportation nightmare in Alexandria's West End has its roots in Mr. Moran's propensity to listen to his contributors and active supporters, rather than consider science, common sense, and the needs of the district as a whole.  Accordingly, Mr. Moran is officially on my radar. As I alluded to before, literally thousands in this district could take him down in a primary.  Now if we can just find that challenger.  


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Where are the Religious Folks?? (0.00 / 0)
It seems like the churches are quick to spend millions to fight same-sex marriage, and anti-choice - where the hell are they on the issue of healing the sick?

I'm being rhetorical, of course.


Churches can't spend money on lobbying (0.00 / 0)
Matt,

I can only speak from a Catholic perspective, but I would be very surprised if they were not for better health care in the U.S.  They are just not officially allowed under the IRS code to lobby for one side or the other.  

FWIW, to Catholics, the concept of "pro-life" goes way beyond the abortion issue -- that is why Obama was able to pull about 50% of the Catholic vote (including myself).  When you have improvements in policy on poverty, torture, health care, military actions, environmental justice, etc. on one side, and policy improvements on abortion on the other, it becomes a more difficult call for Catholics.  That being said, the abortion issue is very significant, and will swing a large number of Catholic voters (and clergy).  As I have mentioned before, I think it is a very poor move for the Democratic Party to take radical pro-abortion positions, such as support of FOCA and the government funding of elective abortions.  If the Party would soften their stance, and truly try to reduce the number of elective abortions, they may be able to lock-in Catholic gains on the basis of other social issues such as health care.

--Rick


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Richard this is not Correct (0.00 / 0)
A church can't lobby or support candidates or parties but they absolutely may advocate for their issues.  For example the Mormon church underwrote last years anti-gay prop. 8 in California.  First Amendment rights don't stop at the pulpit (in fact it protects religion]

I went to a Catholic law school and would agree that the church should support universal health care as a fundamental right.  Yet on the other hand, the church, like all big institutions, is probably more interested in not offending their large contributors than dealing with issues of morality (how ironic?).  Really, it knows many of its followers are conservative and like our leaders, the church would rather follow than lead.

Taken our pro-war stance, pro-death penalty stance and anti-labor stance, money is the only reason why Rome hasn't excommunicated the Catholic church in America.


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I meant the $$$ lobbying referred to in my other comments (0.00 / 0)
You are correct about the soft lobbying -- although the Mormon church did get into some hot water on Proposition 8 for getting too involved, and for perhaps "bending" the rules a bit.  

For example, the Catholic Church and its Bishops can, and do, write letters to Congress as an act of soft lobbying.
From a July 17, 2009 letter from Bishop William Murphy to members of Congress:

"For decades, the Catholic bishops of the United States have been and continue to be consistent advocates for comprehensive health care reform that leads to health care for all, including the weakest and most vulnerable."

Of course there is an expected point:

"The bishops want to support health care reform. We have in the past and we always must insist that health care reform excludes abortion coverage or any other provisions that threaten the sanctity of life."

However, the Catholic Church does take progressive views:

"Access for all: Reform efforts must begin with the principle that decent health care is not a privilege, but a right and a requirement to protect the life and dignity of every person . . . Bishops' Conference believes health care reform should be truly universal and it should
be genuinely affordable . . .new coverage options should
protect the lowest income enrollees from burdensome cost sharing. We urge Congress to limit premiums or exempt families earning less than 200 percent of the Federal Poverty Level from monthly premiums."

As for healing the sick:

"Health care is a critical component of the
Catholic Church's ministry. The Church provides health care, purchases health care and picks up the pieces of a failing health care system. The Catholic community encounters and serves the sick and uninsured in our emergency rooms, shelters and on the doorsteps of our parishes. One out of six patients is cared for in Catholic hospitals."

Link to original letter at:

http://nchla.org/datasource/id...

I have also attended a Catholic law school located pretty close to the Capitol building, but definitely did not specialize in Constitutional Law (and I surprisingly heard nothing from professors regarding the Catholic Church's view of anything).  But from what I remember, while First Amendment rights protect the individual priest (or preacher, rabbi, etc.), the IRS does (or tries to) constrain lobbying activity by churches by threatening to take away tax exempt status if the priest starts excessively lobbying, e.g., perhaps by merely mentioning on the pulpit that Candidate X supports the Church's position, while Candidate Y does not.    

This seems a bit unfair, as organizations such as EMILY's List are able to even hard ($$$) lobby at will, that is, conduct the truly effective type of lobbying.  Such has the disparate impact of promoting, e.g., secular humanist or atheistic "religions", over that of deistic religions. (Do you see some Constitutional arguments here??)

Your last comment just seems completely without basis: Where have you seen that the Catholic Church in America is pro-war, pro-death penalty, and anti-labor?  You might be correct about the majority of members, but the position of the clergy is definitely not pro-death and anti-labor as you imply.  

But anyway, thanks for the (needed) clarification on hard versus soft lobbying -- I was a bit sloppy there...

--Rick



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I Actually Like to Quote the Classic Conservative for this one (0.00 / 0)
That is, Edmund Burke, who (to loosely paraphrase) made the awesome remark "that for wrong to prevail, it is only necessary for those defending right to remain silent."  I think some rabbi following the Holocaust said "if not now, when?"

I do believe that silence on the part of the powerful - like any religious organization (I by no means am singling out the Catholic church), equals death.  What's more offensive is how religion conveniently ignores some topics but not others.  I've always been amazed how people can be pro-death penalty and anti-choice: these positions are not reconcilable.  I'm totally anti-death penalty, and while I think abortion is abhor-able it's not up to me to decide, and the position of when life begins can be debated by reasonable people.  The hard religious right doesn't get this.

Believe me, if I'm hypocritical I want to be told this immediately.  I'm open to hear all flaws in my positions so that I can sharpen my thoughts.  The church takes many years to admit wrong, and in the intervening time, millions continue to be deprived of their fundamental rights.  

I do tend to favor the Friends because they have the guts to speak truth to power, and do not judge which way the wind blows before acting and they are true to their beliefs.  

I can go on ad nauseum, with specific examples of approaching various local clergy for support an assortment of progressive issues and in each case they only had excuses not to act.  Again, if not now, when?


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You pretty much sum up my views, except... (0.00 / 0)
1) Be careful not to lump Catholics in with the "religious right," although, they definitely have been silent on certain issues too long in the past, e.g., Europe 1930s and 1940s, Boston 2002.  Catholics definitely do not ignore progressive topics, but they do stress some more than others, e.g., abortion, as opposed to the death penalty.  The Catholic Church simply seems to have too little resources to handle every issue, so they do what they can, for example, feed the hungry, house the homeless, cure the sick, teach the underprivileged, etc.  I do not want to overly criticize the traditional "religious right" religions, but it seems like given the tradition of titheing (10% of income) in those religions, they could do more for progressive causes than they do today.  An eyeopener for me was attending a Protestant service in 1995 (being polite to a friend), in which the budget for the church was revealed.  They were paying their preacher $80,000 or so, plus providing a house and other living expenses.  And this was a small church.  That type of funding covers perhaps 3-4 Catholic priests in a large parish, who in my experience, seem to work very hard for their Parishioners, 7 days a week -- and many of their "vacations" seem to be heading to "luxurious" locales like rural Honduras and Haiti so that they can help people there.  I would venture to say that most Catholic clergy are truly the staunchest Progressives in this country.  

2) Which gets me to my second comment.  In my view, it is completely inconsistent for a Progressive to be anti-death penalty, anti-poverty, etc., and be silent/tolerant of abortion on demand until birth.  We all know that life begins at conception, that that life is human based on its unique human DNA, and that this life is the weakest and most defenseless of all of the human life in our society.  A Progressive typically tries to protect the weakest and most defenseless of our society, so to unequivocably favor a mother over the new life is perhaps hypocritical.  

That being said, surely the rights of the new life cannot always be favored over the the mother's.  For example, at 23 weeks my wife was admitted to the hospital with pre-eclampsia symptoms.  The only treatment for eclampsia is childbirth/abortion.  Childbirth at 23 weeks is usually fatal to the child -- but of course, if that decision needs to be made, you favor the mother's interests over the child's.  Luckily in our case, it was a false alarm.  

While the time of the beginning of "humanity" worth protection in our society may be fairly debatable, it surely is not at the minute before natural childbirth, as is the view of those with extreme abortion positions.  For example, mental health of the mother" should not be a rationale for abortion in the third trimester (this was apparently the rationale most often used by Dr. Tiller in his late-term abortions), and President Obama has indicated the same in the past.  Getting church-goers motivated on this point is easy, low lying fruit, so to say.  So the Catholic Church does what it can, address the most controversial issue the most, but still do not ignore the other issues (e.g., see the letter referred to above).  The Catholics are likely the prayerful protesters at a clinic, and not the riotous harassers that I have seen mentioned in other posts.  If only the Catholics would have stood up like this in the Holocaust of the 1940s...  

As you mention, if now when.  Many see the abortion issue as being the cornerstone for the devaluation of life -- if one can kill a fetus/child, then surely it is OK to kill a murderer, or the Taliban, or an Iraqi, or let people we do not agree with go hungry, or not provide proper healthcare, to provide inadequate education, or subject the less powerful to environmental injustice for the benefit of the many...or should I say, the strongest.  Being a true Progressive is difficult, because you actually have to say "no" at times to the strong to help the weak.  

So is the Democratic party a Progressive party?  I would say, based on our representatives, not yet.  Our representatives do not like to say "no" to the strong, and our weakest fall through the cracks, not just the unborn, but also the impoverished, the undereducated, the racially profiled, the handicapped, and the sick.  

In the issue of today, the medical lobby is "the strong".  And where do our representatives stand?  If not now, when are we to take action?



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I agree (0.00 / 0)
Richard,
 I agree with most of what you said, and by no means should my remarks be taken as anti-Catholic.  What I said can be taken for anti-religion in general, and I feel religions are like all big institutions; that is, its goal is to perpetuate itself (I'm pretty cynical).  Just as many politicians are in it also for themselves and are quick to sell-out on health care and other progressive issues (of course, I don't think health care is a progressive issue, any more than the concept of liberty is a progressive issue - it's a right).
 

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Yikes!!!!!!!!!!! (0.00 / 0)
Latest polling:

In a PublicPolicyPolling survey completed Monday among registered voters, Bob McDonnell leads Creigh Deeds 51% to 37%, with a margin of error a bit above 4%. The Republican advantage extends down the ticket. In the Lieutenant Governor race Bill Bolling leads Jody Wagner 48 - 34, and Ken Cuccinelli leads Steve Shannon 45 - 32.

Among those surveyed, people who said they had voted for McCain outnumbered Obama voters 52% - 41, while you will recall that Obama carried the state, so these results must be viewed with some suspicion. But they are what we have.

In this poll, Creigh Deeds is viewed favorably by 43% overall (and by only 75% of Democrats) while McDonnell is viewed favorably by 54% of those interviewed, including 92% of self-described Republicans.


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