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Thanksgiving Table Talk with Republicans

by: Teddy Goodson

Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 16:09:49 PM EST


Having Thanksgiving Dinner with your relatives? If they are not all good Democrats it is inevitable that a diehard Republican lurks among them. Even if your hostess decrees that politics and religion are no-no's I can safely predict that that Republican will not be able to contain him/herself.  Having listened to Fox, Rush, et al, and still basking in the warmth of winning in Virginia and New Jersey, they will be loaded for bear with mis-information and smugness.  

So here is a cheat sheet to prepare you to answer (gracefully, in dulcet tones guaranteed to drive the Repub nuts, and to soothe your hostess). This comes to us from the DCCC.  To download a fancy format, go to: http://www.dccc.org/page/invit...  Or, check this below, same thing in plain dress:

Teddy Goodson :: Thanksgiving Table Talk with Republicans
*****DCCC CHEAT SHEET:*****

DEMOCRATIC ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
Myth: "Democrats haven't done anything this year."
FACT: House Democrats and President Obama have delivered more progress for America this year than George Bush and the Republicans did in the last eight. How about:

* The Economic Recovery and Reinvestment Act to save and create millions of jobs and provide the largest middle class tax cut in history

 * Improving and expanding health care by providing affordable health care for over 11 million children, guaranteeing advance funding for veterans' medical care, and lifting the ban on stem cell research

* The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act to finally ensure that women earn equal pay for equal work

* A credit card holders' bill of rights to end unfair and anti-competitive practices

* The House passing landmark legislation to fight climate change, create green jobs, and invest in clean energy

* And most recently: The House passing the most sweeping health insurance reforms in over a century to finally make health insurance affordable for the middle class

HEALTH INSURANCE REFORM
Myth: Health Insurance Reform will be a "government takeover."
FACT: Non-partisan PolitiFact.com calls this FALSE. Reform will not force anyone out of private coverage they already have. Instead, it will create an option to join a public plan.  According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), only 12 million would join the public option---- with 15 million MORE Americans enrolled in private plans in 2019.

Myth: Reform will add to the deficit.
FACT: CBO found that the House health care reform bill will actually REDUCE the deficit by $30 billion

Myth: Reform will lead to cuts in basic Medicare benefits and services.
FACT: AARP calls these scare tactics "false."  They concluded that, "(n)one of the health care reform proposals being considered by Congress would cut Medicare benefits or increase your out-of-pocket costs for Medicare services." Instead, the bill reduces inefficiency and roots out waste and fraud.

For more information, check out www.HealthCareFactCheck.com

2010 ELECTIONS
Myth: "2010 will be 1994 all over again for the Republicans."
FACT: Unlike 1944, the latest polling shows how negatively most Americans view today's Republican Party:

* NBC/WSJ Poll: Just 25 percent have a positive view of the Republican Party. This ties the lowest point for the GOP in their survey---- that's even lower than during the Bush Presidency.

* Washington Post/ABC Poll: Just 20 percent identify as Republicans, marking their lowest point since 1983.

* Democrats have won all four Congressional special elections since President Obama was installed.  Earlier this month, Democrats defeated Glen Beck and Sarah Palin's "tea party" candidate to win New York's 23rd District for the first time in more than 100 years.

DCCC.org - facebook.com/ElectDemocrats - twitter.com/DCCC

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Re: 2010 Elections (0.00 / 0)
Maybe 1994, not 1944? Or was 1944 another watershed like 1994? That was not only before I came here but before I was born, so I wouldn't know...

But, if Repubs think they're going to repeat '94, they're all wet and tea-stained. Not only do they not have anything resembling Gingrich's Contract, they have no credible leader to introduce such, if they had it.  


Correct (0.00 / 0)
I'll change it. 1944 was a crucial year for World War II, but not for the Republicans.

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This is a test (0.00 / 0)
I hope this comment will post. I've been having some problems. I doubt that reasoning with Republicans will work since most of them are motivated by fear. There are many more accomplishments as well, but its better to just eat turkey rather than try to reason with them.

Also for the climate change discussion (0.00 / 0)
re: the recent hacking of the server at the University of East Anglia in the UK, and any inferences that climate change is a left wing hoax, scan this:

http://www.copenhagendiagnosis...

Thanks to Real Climate.org for the link.
http://www.realclimate.org/


I am aware of the hacking (0.00 / 0)
and had earlier read some of the hacked e-mails out of East Anglia. I am not a scientist, only an analyst and a concerned citizen, who has noticed: The hacking and publications were very selective, somewhat opaque in content IMO, and did not "prove" a case that scientists had been fudging data in order to support the climatologists' conclusion that human beings and the use of fossil fuels are one of the primary causes of climate change, as the publishers of the hacking seem to believe.

In other words, we still have climate change which is now proceeding at an even faster rate than originally forecast by the models; the models need to be adjusted, as models frequently do; the overwhelming influence of human-caused change is still correct. We do not have totally reliable or complete data sharing by various countries of the relevant temperature figures and other data, so it is difficult to modify models... such gaps in data do not prove a fancy conspiracy, nor do the e-mails in question, at least as presently presented.

Do I believe that there are possibly additional causes for a climate change beyond that of humans' use of fossil fuels? Of course I do (Variations in sun radiation? yes. Change in nature of the space through which the Earth and Solar System are now transiting? yes. Change in the composition of the spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy through which the Solar System has begun to move? yes).

Nonetheless, I see absolutely no reason for us to supinely stop efforts at curbing CO2 emissions from fossil fuel in order to moderate the change and begin to protect ourselves from whatever other natural causes of climate change there may be.  The curious mindset that demands accepting anything Nature/God throws at us with no fighting back is one more manifestation of irrational, emotion-based magical thinking.... once we are rendered defenseless by such thinking and are all suffering mightily from climate change, we will next hear: "This is God's punishment for your sins." Bah!


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Wrong Approach (0.00 / 0)
Your talking points will fail with Republicans because they don't correctly address one of the fundamental reasons for the sweeping Republican victories.  At least for this year Tip O'Neil was wrong when he said that all politics are local.  This was the year where people voted in Virginia and New Jersey because they are upset with an economy that has shown little or no improvement since November 2008 and most specifically because they believe that President Obama's domestic and foreign policy initiatives (not his personal popularity) are wrong for the country.  All of these talking points are attempting to offer reasons why President Obama's initiatives are really good but the people have already weighed the pros and cons and on November 3 voted against these initiatives.  Nothing has changed in 3 weeks to make Republicans or those who voted Republican change their minds.  However, I suspect that the election results have made many Democrat officials change their minds about the mood of the country.  These talking points might actually work with the Democrats that I see over Thanksgiving.  

No doubt (0.00 / 0)
But it does help to clarify ones' own thinking to craft responses. Besides, who know who else is over-hearing your comments, and being favorably influenced. We have to begin providing a counter-talk, i.e., The Truth, to offset the constant drumbeat of baloney coming from the righties. If the general public never hears anything but the Righties' Lies and Oddness, they will perforce believe it.

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Obama's policies are working (0.00 / 0)
I just heard from an expert on hunger in the US that if it weren't for the stimulous money poured into the food stamp program that we would be experiencing hunger on the scale of a third world country, or something similar to the great depression.

Perhaps if things had gone to hell in a handbag a little sooner before the election people would have seen how bad it really could have been. I'm afraid people will not be able to appreciate how bad the financial crises really was because we were able to dodge the bullet.

But that's true thanks to Obama.


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