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Some Extremist Misreading and Misusing Bible to Imply Hate, Threats

by: KathyinBlacksburg

Thu Nov 19, 2009 at 07:51:50 AM EST


Dear Fellow Progressives:

Please watch this video.  We proudly voted for President Obama.  We said we'd have his back and defend him.  He has taken a number of positive steps.  For example, just this week, he formed a new team within government to bring Wall St. criminals to justice and just toady NPR reports on the administration's rounding up tax revenues from off-shore tax cheats (to the tune of billions). This alone could ultimately pay for a huge part of health care.  Departments of government are renewing their commitment to oversight again. There are many more things to add, but this blog is not about how much better it is for America to have Barack Obama as our President. Since coming to the Presidency, he has restored dignity to the Office of the Presidency and brought respect back to America after the reckless behavior and rude, cowboy diplomacy of the past regime turned off the world to our country.

But many of us are still waiting "on the world to change." The large body of problems he inherited still weighs upon us all. I, like many of you, have various disappointments, not the least of which the way health care and financial reforms are going.  However much we would do things differently and want them different, this much I know:  What is happening on the fringe of GOP politics, in its strident and downright evil hate-mongering of our President is unprecedented.  And it is morally reprehensible. Moreover, we aren't doing our jobs. We should not be silent in the face of the increasingly menacing climate.

I believe we must stand up to the forces of hate, to defend the president against the slander and character assassination of even members of Congress (who should be ashamed of themselves), and against those who would use intimidation and threats (real and implied) to control this country. At minimum, we must fulfill our responsibility to push back verbally and politically against the unbelievable fanning of hatred by much of what's left of the national figures in the Republican Party.  So too must our elected representatives.  Where are the elected Dems to back the President up? Where are the Republicans to call their party's spokespersons back from the abyss.  Instead, its very leaders (Boehner and Cantor) are part of the problem. I want speeches.  I want press releases.  I want appearances on television appealing to tone down the awful rhetoric.

KathyinBlacksburg :: Some Extremist Misreading and Misusing Bible to Imply Hate, Threats
It is so ironic that also today we learn from The Green Miles over at Blue Virginia here that the Virginia GA Dems are evidently thinking they should tip-toe around in deference to Republicans in the GA. Here we go again!  

Meanwhile over on the Republican side, Bill O'Reilly said, "its gonna get nasty. Nancy Pelosi's going to be bobbing up and down in the Boston Harbor." How is this considered acceptable anywhere? This seems like blatant incitement.

Other Republicans are trying to stoke the fury here. This week, Teabaggers threatened to burn effigies of Nancy Pelosi and Tom Perriello.  We all know how Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh fulminated and stoked anger and fury day after day since our President was sworn in.  Interestingly, even Glenn Beck thought "Bill O" got carried away concerning Pelosi.

Let me be clear, I am not saying all those who call themselves Republicans are doing this.  However, thus far, few have condemned this increasingly militant and threatening behavior on the part of Republican extremists, which now even includes TV show hosts, radio hosts and too many in the Republican congressional delegation.  Imagine if Democratic Congressional representatives or spokespersons did this during the Bush administration!  We know what roll-over Dems look like from 2001-2004. What they did was roll over and give Bush most of what he wanted.  They didn't even question what they should have questioned.  The few who did were called "unpatriotic."  Neighbors, fellow gym members (etc) "ratted" out neighbors to the police if they merely questioned the war. A peace group of senior-aged Quakers was investigated merely because it opposed the war.  No one talked like these people are doing today.  We may not have been happy with the direction Bush was taking us.  WE may have complained about the excesses of that administration.  But we wouldn't have thought the thoughts these folks are uttering out loud.  But hypocrisy isn't really the point.  It is so much more serious than that.

The "Pray for Obama" bumper stickers Rachel Maddow spoke of are very clever (in a vile sort of way) and appear benign to a driver who can't see Psalm 109: 8 in small print.  And so they can appear to be calling for folks to pray for Obama.  You know, in the arrogant way, people think someone else needs saving (but they don't).  

Ironically, they those posting the signs probably think they know more than anyone else about the contents of Verse 8 of Psalm 109.  And yet, it is they who seem ignorant of the full text.  What is the entire context?  Since I have neither of my two Bibles in digital format, I'll rely on an online version, the New International Version (NIV).  BTW, Rachel quoted from the King James version.


1 O God, whom I praise,
      do not remain silent,

2 for wicked and deceitful men
      have opened their mouths against me;
      they have spoken against me with lying tongues.

3 With words of hatred they surround me;
      they attack me without cause.

4 In return for my friendship they accuse me,
      but I am a man of prayer.

5 They repay me evil for good,
      and hatred for my friendship.

6 Appoint [a] an evil man [b] to oppose him;
      let an accuser [c] stand at his right hand.

7 When he is tried, let him be found guilty,
      and may his prayers condemn him.

8 May his days be few;
      may another take his place of leadership.

9 May his children be fatherless
      and his wife a widow.

10 May his children be wandering beggars;
      may they be driven [d] from their ruined homes.

11 May a creditor seize all he has;
      may strangers plunder the fruits of his labor.

12 May no one extend kindness to him
      or take pity on his fatherless children.

13 May his descendants be cut off,
      their names blotted out from the next generation.

14 May the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before the LORD;
      may the sin of his mother never be blotted out.

15 May their sins always remain before the LORD,
      that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

16 For he never thought of doing a kindness,
      but hounded to death the poor
      and the needy and the brokenhearted.

17 He loved to pronounce a curse-
      may it [e] come on him;
      he found no pleasure in blessing-
      may it be [f] far from him.

18 He wore cursing as his garment;
      it entered into his body like water,
      into his bones like oil.

19 May it be like a cloak wrapped about him,
      like a belt tied forever around him.

20 May this be the LORD's payment to my accusers,
      to those who speak evil of me.

21 But you, O Sovereign LORD,
      deal well with me for your name's sake;
      out of the goodness of your love, deliver me.

22 For I am poor and needy,
      and my heart is wounded within me.

23 I fade away like an evening shadow;
      I am shaken off like a locust.

24 My knees give way from fasting;
      my body is thin and gaunt.

25 I am an object of scorn to my accusers;
      when they see me, they shake their heads.

26 Help me, O LORD my God;
      save me in accordance with your love.

27 Let them know that it is your hand,
      that you, O LORD, have done it.

28 They may curse, but you will bless;
      when they attack they will be put to shame,
      but your servant will rejoice.

29 My accusers will be clothed with disgrace
      and wrapped in shame as in a cloak.

30 With my mouth I will greatly extol the LORD;
      in the great throng I will praise him.

31 For he stands at the right hand of the needy one,
      to save his life from those who condemn him.


If you read the full text it changes much.  

"for wicked and deceitful men have opened their mouths against me;
they have spoken against me with lying tongues."

I am not a theologian.  I took eight courses in theology in college. I claim no special expertise in sacred texts. But it seems to me that the appropriation of this Psalm gives new meaning to the taking of a line out of context.  Additionally, it is President Obama who is being maligned by "wicked and deceitful men" who've opened their mouths" against him"...And  there's this: "With words of hatred they surround me; they attack me without cause. " Apparently, those swept up in the use 109:8 have no sense of irony.
Here's a commentary on that.  

Whatever their disagreement with our president, those immorally hoping for his demise serve no legitimate religious purpose. Despite the irony I've noted here, the appropriation of religion to do political harm, inflame the lunatic fringe, and even incite violence, is the antithesis of the spirit of most faiths, including  my own.

In the column "For God's Sake" in the Washington Post online, Brad Hirschfield asks:


But can anyone really believe that with so much blood spilled by so many faithful, and the world in such dire need of the good deep spiritual connection can provide, that this kind of religious expression is acceptable?

Please say no, and say it loudly. If we don't, the choice will come down to one between a kind of toxic faith, or no faith at all. And heartbreaking as it would be to say 'no' to faith, if those are the choices, my faith demands that I would say 'no'.

Indeed.

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Obama's election has never been accepted by his opponents, who ranged from racists to religious nuts to disgruntled, spoiled white folks incredulous they might lose their comfortable post on the top of the heap, to greedy corporations used to dominating the political system and fearful that a Democrat would not be as easily controlled as a Republican white male.... and by the military and the military-industrial complex, forlorn at the departure of macho Mr. Bush. We have seen the response of these elements from even before inauguration: spiteful, roaring borderline violence and relentless obstruction, a campaign of hate which has escalated steadily from one stage to the next level, each stage more threatening than the last.

I've published here on B.C. and on RaisingKaine actual anti-Obama e-mails from disgruntled younger officers in the Army, and concluded from those and conversations with some of these officers that they are psyching themselves up for a coup---- no one seems to believe me (until now). I agree with Mr. Schaeffer. There are only a few more levels to escalate to before you reach assassination and rebellion. This is serious, and Americans need to realize what they are facing.

Do not expect the power hungry Republican leadership (which is who, exactly?) to speak out against it. They are like Mussolini in the 1920's, asking which way the troops  were going so he could get in front and lead them.


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why so few bright and educated liberals and/or Democrats do not join the ranks of our armed forces and bring moderation to the ranks?

The military is supposed to be apolitical. Clearly, it is not as more enlisted trend left and more officers trend right. But if there are to be discussions within ranks as to the military's place amongst the political forces in the government, why are we not promoting more of our own to join?

Now, before what I mean is misconstrued, I do not advocate that those on the left join the military to subvert it in some sort of way but rather I am curious as to why there are less of those on the left willing to join and serve. It seems to me that the Democratic Party lost its rightful place as leaders in national security to the Republicans because we are less cavalier. I'd like to promote more left-leaning individuals serve their country in such a manner. I think it would be good for our party.


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I am not sure how you got from my blog to this. (0.00 / 0)
It is pretty off-topic. I was addresing the hijacking of religion by notable Republicans and their drones. Again, I am not talking about all rank-and-file Republicans, but rather the leaders and the extremists that take everything the pathetic GOP leadership.

However, if you'd like to flesh out a full  blog on the subject, go ahead.  However before you stereotype too much, many progressives have served.  And that includes progressive bloggers.  And furthermore in Congress there are more Democratic vets than Republican vets.  And it has been so for some time.

GOP pols are good at getting deferments and then sending everyone else's kids to serve.

One other thing.  Last year polling showed there was far less lopsidedness in Dems v. GOP in the military than previously.  One other footnote: During the Bush administration the contract for transmitting the vote for those serving overseas in Iraq (possibly other theaters, I'm not sure)back to the US was either Halliburton or KBR. No comment necessary.

"One person, one vote" died at the hands of SCOTUS, January 21, 2010


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Now I read this again, I forget where I was going with it. I got sidetracked midway and had to leave.

Either way, there are a lot of parts of our national culture that have been hijacked but I honestly feel that it is normally more because those on the left do not challenge them on it. Half of that reason is because there are less venues through which we mobilize. We don't exactly have a Fox News, regardless of what one thinks of the rest of the MSM.


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"One person, one vote" died at the hands of SCOTUS, January 21, 2010

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Here's that widely circulated list of all the Dems who served and the prominent GOPhers who did not (but wanted to send everyone else to war anyway).

http://www.awolbush.com/whoser...

Note: This list was done back in the early at least 7 years ago, so the names included may not be quite as relevant today.  But many still are.  

"One person, one vote" died at the hands of SCOTUS, January 21, 2010


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history shows (4.00 / 1)
There is a long, long history of using or feigning  "religion" as a cover for dastardly deeds or motives. The "Age of the Internet" spreads it around at the speed of light.

Agree that folks need to speak up and speak out. Silence = Indifference.

"Indifference is not a beginning, it is an end. And, therefore, indifference is always the friend of the enemy, for it benefits the aggressor.."
Elie Wiesel, Holocaust Survivor and Nobel Laureate
http://www.historyplace.com/sp...

 


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