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Facts To Face

by: Elaine in Roanoke

Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 10:37:38 AM EST


( - promoted by KathyinBlacksburg)

Democrats in Virginia have to face facts. This state is not "blue" - not unless a politician can rally the minority vote, the youth vote, and the Democratic base vote. Not unless a politician can turn out the vote in NOVA and the rest of the urban crescent.

Fact One: White males in Virginia vote majority Republican, with the exception of Jewish citizens. Unless you have the magic of Mark Warner, or the military background of Jim Webb, you won't get the majority of white male votes. It's a waste of time and money to try.

Fact Two: If a Democrat wants the votes of white women, he or she had better stress education or other issues that impact families and children. That's how Leslie Byrne, an unabashed liberal, took 49% of the vote in 2005.

Elaine in Roanoke :: Facts To Face
Fact Three: Labor unions are almost powerless politically in this state now. While they used to be a way for Democrats to win in industrial areas like Roanoke, that's not the case now. Democrats have to appeal to the suburban mindset.

Fact Four: Turnout always drops for non-presidential elections in this state, and other states, for that matter. Plus, we have the arcane system of elections every year, which is left over from the Byrd machine's methods to keep voter turnout low. Face the fact that fewer nominal Democrats and uninvolved Independents will vote in non-presidential years and plan accordingly.

Fact Five: If a white Democratic candidate feels uncomfortable interacting with the minority community, I have one piece of advice: Don't run for office as a Democrat.

Fact Six: I would guess that at least 30 percent of the potential vote in Virginia for Democrats will come from the party base - if the candidate can appeal to them and excite them. Please, Democratic candidates, forget all that Republican-lite B. S., that Democratic Leadership Council stuff that attempts to portray what we used to call Rockefeller Republicans as the kind of Democrats who should run for office. Want to run as a Democrat? Act like a Democrat.

Fact Seven: Republicans have a built-in political machine because they have sold out to the fundamentalists, whose churches tell their members how to vote. While that should make those churches lose their tax-exempt status, it won't happen. Counter that GOP advantage by developing a ground game that can defeat that.

(That kind of ground game is not rocket science. Here is the outline: Feed your base. Get volunteers. Feed your base. Appeal to minority voters. Raise money. Feed your base. Identify your voters. Do classic GOTV on Election Day. )

So, what "color" is Virginia. That depends. Tim Kaine calls it "purple," and I guess that's as good a description as any.  

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Good list-hope we can take it to heart and use this kind of analysis to win in 2010


what happened to fact 5 ?? eom


This is my world and welcome to it

Oops...
Thanks, Ken. I'll correct that. I guess I was so agitated that I forgot how to count. :-)

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Thanks. I Hope We Can
Just one example of "feeding the base": While we all know that yard signs don't vote, the people who crave them to show their support for their candidate, do...The Deeds campaign never had signs or bumper stickers until the last couple of weeks of the campaign where I live. Bad decision.

Another example. When Doug Wilder refused to endorse Creigh, he delivered a death blow as far as the minority community was concerned, barring strong action by the candidate to get out that vote. And, that was after Ms Johnson the millionairess endorsed Pretty Bob McDonnell.  Creigh needed a fast push for the minority vote. The push never came.

Refusing to say you couldn't identify yourself as an "Obama Democrat" sure didn't help, either. Duh...Who was that Democrat who carried Virginia for the first time since 1964?

I personally was incensed by the "I might opt out of the public option" comment. The majority of Virginia voters support a public option, so all I could figure out was that Creigh really didn't support it. Yes, I voted for him, but that comment didn't gain him a single vote and may well have further turned off the base of the party.


sorry, you are wrong on Wilder
all the analysis I have seen is that getting endorsed by Wilder costs you more votes than it gains you.

Let's be real -  if Obama appearing twice for Deeds was not going to motivate Black voters, neither was Doug Wilder.

Doug is old news, and rubbed a lot of political types in Richmond the wrong way during the latter part of his tenure as mayor.

Doug is concerned about Doug.  Remember that in 1992 he was lobbhying to be Perot's running mate, and was on tv talking ab out the race, speaking favorably about Perot when word came in that PErot was pulling out - and you could see Doug visibly deflate.

This is my world and welcome to it


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Actually we don't need NoVA
Nova does take many a candidate up in numbers, but it is not required with a good candidate.
  Case in point Obama was able to win the state even when every county and encorporated city that went for him is removed from the overall state results.

  As I recall from my math he won the state by 4000 votes when NoVa was removed.

  Thus if a candidate can "rally the minority vote, the youth vote, and the Democratic base vote" he wins.

NoVA is very important but it is not the be all end all.


So there's more than one way
to win; one requires Northern Virginia, one doesn't. And we still couldn't accomplish it.  

[ Parent ]
Ya really got to layoff the oxycotin. What D Governor, Lt. G, AG or Senator has won while losing NoVa?
The urban crescent is the end all and be all for Ds since at least 1965 and NoVa is the anchor of the urban crescent.

Really don't get the unrelenting trashing of NoVa on this site.


[ Parent ]
A look at the numbers...


[ Parent ]
Sorry...
I hit one two many "returns".

For the data available on line, it is certainly clear that no Democrat has won statewide without getting more votes in the 8th, 10th and 11th than the Republican.  Some Dems have carried NoVa without carrying the state -- Byrne and Deeds in 2005, Kerry in 2004, Robb in 2000.

In the current electoral situation, it seems pretty clear to me that no Democrat will win statewide without winning NoVa by a big margin.  In fact, if you want to narrow it down even more, look for a candidate who can carry the 10th Congressional District.  Not because they live there, but because they fit the profile of what voters in the 10th will support.

One of my standard thoughts about winning in Virginia -- including winning in the Fifth District -- is that it is not necessary that a Democrat win the rural areas, but it is necessary that the Democrat not get killed in the rural areas.  This year, for whatever reason, Creigh got killed, particularly in the rural areas that we thought would be an area of relative strength.  


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NoVA is not the end-all and be-all, but
it is essential to te calculus of any successful statewide campaign for most Democrats. To me, the issue of winning in NoVA or pursuing a rural strategy is as follows:

1. Can the vote in NoVA be run up enough so that simply  abase performance in RoVA still allows victory; or

2. Does a Democrat try to hold serve in NoVA (i.e., 55-56%) while getting 40%+ in RoVA.

Of course, occassionally there comes along a Mark Warner who does both, and occassionally a campaign like Creigh's, that does neither. More often than not, however, it seems most statewide campaigns come down to tweaking strategy, message and resources to get the right mix of both. And that is how it should be, IMHO, since the Governor will be governor for everyone.

As for using an Obama strategy, we will see next year whether that strategy works without Obama. 2009 suggests it didn't, but honestly, Obama was not too personally involved, and he will have much more at stake in 2010.

The Deeds campaign fell short in so many places strategically, I am simply not sure that  any valid conclusion can be drawn from it in terms of general approach.

The Virginia Democrat


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Fact 3
I take issue with Fact Three for several reasons.

1) Labor unions heavily financed not only the statewide campaigns but house candidates all over Virginia- including those around Roanoke. Last time I checked, money=power.

2) At any campaign event, you would have seen plenty of unions actvists in those crowds.

3) Many campaigns rely heavily on union volunteers and this is not to mention the mobilizing that unions do with their own members (75% of whom are registered to vote).

4) Labor unions and suburban voters are not mutually exclusive. There are other labor unions other than those in "industrial areas like Roanoke" : UFCW, government workers, teachers, fire fighters, construction workers, etc.

5) To use this election to say labor unions are almost powerless is like saying the FCDC is powerless since Creigh lost FFX and took down a lot of house candidates along with him.

Not sure if this one deserves to be in the "fact" category.



Great Tactical List
You've set up a great practical list of retail politics for us hardworking grassroots folks. Also, an excellent conversation starter, at least one bottle of wine's worth of discussion with a partner. Thanks.

Warner is not out of the woods....
just because he won be a fairly high margin the first time. Warner got a big boost because he ran with Obama. But even though Webb won by a very slim margin, I'd say that Warner would like a tastier and easier take-down compared to Webb. If he had to run two days ago, Warner would probably have lost, too.

I disagree
with your conclusion. I'd almost guarantee Warner would have won but the longer he is out of the Governor's Mansion, the more likely his win percentage drops. Lately, Warner is upsetting his base pretty bad by not just being a Blue Dog Dem but especially a Blue Dog in the Senate. He'll need some good achievements in the next several years to keep his margins. However, unless he really messes up, we'd be stupid to replace him.

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